tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-815828627603971196.post5335946084115074194..comments2024-03-28T01:02:16.169+00:00Comments on Lucykate Crafts . . .: Copying, where do you draw the line?Lucykate Crafts...http://www.blogger.com/profile/00799331918962034472noreply@blogger.comBlogger66125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-815828627603971196.post-67878979441236909692010-04-28T12:13:19.142+01:002010-04-28T12:13:19.142+01:00Oh this is awful, and just WRONG. She should have...Oh this is awful, and just WRONG. She should have credited you, she should have made it VERY clear where her inspiration and pattern come from. I love your beautiful work, I love the love you put into your beautiful work and I love cruising through your beautiful blog. No, I don't think you are 'being petty' one single bit. Your time, your drawing, your work that YOU put together should never be treated this way. Amy, I wish you all the very best and may Karma do it's work.'Joyce'https://www.blogger.com/profile/16965444361021567520noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-815828627603971196.post-89382495186464727892010-04-07T18:07:00.934+01:002010-04-07T18:07:00.934+01:00I've never commented here and I'm not some...I've never commented here and I'm not someone who designs, so I appreciate your feelings about someone stealing your design and not giving credit. I appreciate someone is out there designing (like you) and gladly purchase designs from the designer and recommend her to others. I do so because I want the designer I like to have the exposure and it might enable/encourage her to do more so I can buy her great, creative designs. I'm one who 1) isn't smart enough to steal designs; 2) wouldn't do that to someone; and 3) hope that the designer I like gets all the credit so it can help her. I'm sorry you had this happen, but remember for a person like that out there, there's one like me (I hope) who happily gives credit to the designer. And, no, you're not being petty or throwing a tantrum. You were rightfully justified in your comments. MimiMimihttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11652465157306293470noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-815828627603971196.post-51229930083100419662010-04-04T08:16:38.823+01:002010-04-04T08:16:38.823+01:00Sadly I haven't time now to read all the comme...Sadly I haven't time now to read all the comments, but I did pick up on your response saying that the girl didn't, and still doesn't seem to understand that she's done anything wrong. <br /><br />Having been caught in the middle of a couple of blatant copying 'discussions' on other blogs, I quite agree with your comment. I was caught between 2 friends over one such case and ended up saying to the copier that I was sitting on the fence purely as it was all getting too nasty and I valued each party as a friend. That comment of mine resulted in the end of that 5-year (face-to-face, not just blogging) friendship as there never was any apology, nor acceptance or understanding of any wrongdoing. The person whose work had been copied has been copied since by others, and blogposts have been written. <br /><br />It's all very sad but seems to be a part of the "I want" and "lazy" society we live in today. There's a whole world of crafty people out there who have no concept of imaginative thought and their only route is to copy. All the time and energy used by your peacock copier could, surely, have been put to far better use coming up with her own design.<br /><br />No doubt I've upset a few more people now, but I'm old enough to take it on the chin! I'm just thankful that I sell the raw materials rather than the completed craft item. So much less stressful ...<br /><br />SueVintage to Victorianhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00227207487929669724noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-815828627603971196.post-14775511186525612972010-03-28T13:40:01.399+01:002010-03-28T13:40:01.399+01:00When I saw your peacock I thought "Wow!"...When I saw your peacock I thought "Wow!" I immediately looked up the book to see where and when I could get it..........Yes, I could have a go at copying but I like books and patterns, and anyway, you already give so many free patterns away on your blog.<br />I reckon, when in doubt, e-mail the author.Clairhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05445021543287613952noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-815828627603971196.post-24136525527044541182010-03-27T20:16:03.673+00:002010-03-27T20:16:03.673+00:00You are very couragous to post your feelings, I un...You are very couragous to post your feelings, I understand that you feel like your just throwing a fit, but you have every right to. It is YOUR design and YOU deserve the credit. People that are not creative assume that it is simple for someone like you to pop out a great design and think nothing of stealing ideas. <br /><br />This happened to me at a very young age, and I feel like it crippled my creativity for life. In the sixth grade, my teacher asked us to come up with an inspirational poster design. Everyone was looking around at each other, unsure what to do, and an idea popped into my head. I started to draw (I am not an artist) and I wrote a caption. The girl next to me wanted to see what I had done, no one else had come up with anything. I was very shy and tried to tell her no, but eventually, I gave in. <br /><br />Everyone in the classroom ended up using the same design, with the exact caption, two words "Think Big". The teacher posted about 10 posters on our bulletin board, all of my design, but not my poster. The teacher would not listen to me when I told her that everyone copied me, it was very frustrating. <br /><br />I was already very insecure and shy as a young person, so when one of the agressive boys in the class told everyone that it was his original design, I just gave up my arguement. <br /><br />The way the teacher and the class treated me, made me feel like I wasn't creative enough for anyone to believe that I could have come up with the poster. For years, I refused to write down any of my thoughts. I have only recently started to gain the courage to attempt to be creative.<br /><br />Due to my experience, it really frustrates me to see people use someone elses exact design and sell it as their own. I read blogs, check out tutorials, and search etsy daily, and I see it constantly. It is very unethical and immoral. <br /><br />Thank you for continuing to share your beautiful work and tutorials. I am a true believer that everything we do in life will come back to us. Do good, and you will receive good.EyeHeartFabric.etsy.comhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01179931623698385965noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-815828627603971196.post-4201723680697818342010-03-27T09:49:43.426+00:002010-03-27T09:49:43.426+00:00Where is the real satisfaction in copying someone&...Where is the real satisfaction in copying someone's work?<br />I think a true crafts person strives to invent something different (as much as they can) or in a style of their own, and that in itself is half the joy of making for me. <br />I sometimes see work from other designer/makers and think 'damn, I wish I'd made that or thought of that'. This usually inspires me to make something of my own, to call my own, a little bit of individuality to express my creativity.<br />I just think it's a little sad when people copy - they clearly just don't have enough creativity in them, and that can't feel good.<br /><br />I'm not sure I can offer you any advice on how to feel about this, it's a very personal thing. It looks like you've made the right steps in order to get this situation clarified, and if there is any doubt in anyone's mind, they just need to come here and see when you posted your work and look at the quality of it. I'm sure they'd be suitably persuaded :o)<br /><br />Monda<br />xmonda-loveshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/18264941657163852842noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-815828627603971196.post-76205531297237325152010-03-27T09:44:36.248+00:002010-03-27T09:44:36.248+00:00cathy, i am not sensitive to anyone making a peaco...cathy, i am not sensitive to anyone making a peacock, you are missing my point (i did explain this in my post). i am well aware that there will be peacocks turning up all over the place once the book is available. you have hit the nail on the head with using the word 'permission'. my point in this case is she didn't have 'permission'. she saw, she assumed, she took. if she had worked from the patter, naturally permission is granted by having purchased the book in the first place.<br /><br />my motives for having the peacock pattern in the book, is the same as any designer who has work published, to earn an income. if other crafters continually take liberties, it will ultimately have an effect on the whole craft pattern market (again, i did explain this also in my post)Lucykate Crafts...https://www.blogger.com/profile/00799331918962034472noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-815828627603971196.post-84803840023830235822010-03-27T08:40:25.831+00:002010-03-27T08:40:25.831+00:00This comment has been removed by the author.Unknownhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17005049799868168908noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-815828627603971196.post-29411784604436132532010-03-27T08:39:17.190+00:002010-03-27T08:39:17.190+00:00If you planned to publish a how-to of the peacock ...If you planned to publish a how-to of the peacock and also the stork, it may be a better idea next time to hold off on putting photos of these things on Flickr. It's best NOT to publish photographs of things that you plan to publish if you can control it of course.<br /><br />Also, if you are this sensitive about people making your peacock then I wonder why you are going to have a tutorial of it for all the world to see soon in a book? There will be hundreds of people attempting to copy it at that point. If they are making them and selling them, that's a problem. But you said this lady made only one to give as a gift in a swap. I guess I don't understand why you'd have a problem with someone who was doing only what you were basically going to give her and a million others permission to do once the book published.<br /><br />May I ask then, what are your motives for showing how to make this peacock then in a book?Unknownhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17005049799868168908noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-815828627603971196.post-76011185189485778142010-03-27T08:39:17.191+00:002010-03-27T08:39:17.191+00:00This comment has been removed by the author.Unknownhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17005049799868168908noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-815828627603971196.post-31495247043257252762010-03-25T22:59:28.386+00:002010-03-25T22:59:28.386+00:00I would say the rule of thumb is if you see someth...I would say the rule of thumb is if you see something that SOMEONE ELSE has created and make it yourself, whether that be clothing, papercraft, cooking or toymaking, you should always credit the designer and/or originally creator in your blogging or wherever you are showing your finished acticle. <br /><br />That is called giving credit were credit is due.<br /><br />I don't think you can stop anyone from figuring out how to make one of your designs and I'm sure you don't mind it happening as long as they are not profitting from it or stating it is their invention.<br /><br />Your work is very inspiring and although you are (rightly I feel) annoyed you should also be very proud to have produced something that so many people have admired.<br /><br />:)Traceyrhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13608863202444711772noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-815828627603971196.post-10905638465443699332010-03-25T19:43:39.782+00:002010-03-25T19:43:39.782+00:00People are going to take inspiration from what you...People are going to take inspiration from what you put out there. If you are putting out a tutorial or a pattern then I think you have to assume that people are going to copy it. That's why you put it out there. If you say in the pattern that it is not for commercial sale then it is not for commercial sale. Some people are going to ignore it but they should gracefully take it down when you ask.<br />Something unique as your peacock I think it is hard to argue that they thought of that by themselves but some things are simple ideas that people can legitimately thing of on their own.Carolynhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11507534860427406541noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-815828627603971196.post-80341150513029944182010-03-25T06:41:24.184+00:002010-03-25T06:41:24.184+00:00I agree with Chrisc. For too many years to mentio...I agree with Chrisc. For too many years to mention I found it very hard to buy clothes (Mainly simple skirts). Being a sewer I always found myself saying "I can make that for a fraction of the price". Sometimes even buying a pattern so I can make the latest fashion instead of buying. Am I a thief? Stealing artists work who are making skirts for KMART?<br /><br />Nowadays I do purchase things from Etsy etc when I could easily make them myself but its 100% only to give the most sincerest compliment to the designer by putting my "money where my mouth is". I could make them myself and find no fault with people doing it. <br /><br />The only issue here I think is internet manners. Credit must always (where possible) be given to the original owner of designs. And no selling from others designs.<br /><br />Love your work by the way and no I haven't made anything of yours. (I'm not that clever) Will buy your book though and then make myself your peacock since I missed out in your giveaway lolantmeehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02416009249959542289noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-815828627603971196.post-88010018990393639552010-03-25T00:38:58.458+00:002010-03-25T00:38:58.458+00:00don't think you're being petty - it's ...don't think you're being petty - it's stealing. i know some people have problems being original, but are great w/ technique. but they must give credit where it's due. i've had people rip my stuff off detail by detail but will give give credit. i've also had others take a tutorial i've done & sell them on etsy. it's stinks but don't let it dampen your spirits. keep creating, selling, doing all of this because you love it & deal with the trolls as they come along. you have beautiful things, would hate for you to stop blogging for fear of this happening again - you're very talented!!CChttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02723975555363709045noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-815828627603971196.post-42920681631999521672010-03-24T21:00:17.686+00:002010-03-24T21:00:17.686+00:00Heya, I read this lady's blog (http://littleco...Heya, I read this lady's blog (http://littlecottonrabbits.typepad.co.uk/my_weblog/2009/09/naff-stuff.html) and she had the same problem with copyright etc but had to battle the giant corporation of Tesco!<br /><br />I think once you post something on the web, yes it really sucks, people are going to copy it. Nobody gets something from nothing and we all get inspiration from somewhere. The biggest hope is that people who do this will credit you... which wasn't really happening in this case. On my own blog I try to link every time I borrow or get inspiration from something I make. The only things I sell are things I've sat down and nutted out myself. However, this process usually starts by looking at what everyone else is doing.<br /><br />It's really hard and what you're talking about is a kind of theft, just one that's not policed. The main thing is you've acted on it and come to a reasonable and amicable outcome!kathchownhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01184901366682036147noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-815828627603971196.post-12216808205029766572010-03-24T00:19:14.024+00:002010-03-24T00:19:14.024+00:00I think the line can get pretty blurry very easily...I think the line can get pretty blurry very easily. I'm new to blogging, and when I first started looking around I was stoked to find so many beautiful things that I thought I would be able to make. It took me some time to realise what the correct protocol was (ie. linking back), and I now generally always try to use ideas for inspiration, in order to create something of my own design... It's much more fun that way anyway.<br /><br />Hopefully this was just a learning curve for this girl and she will know better next time. I can understand how frustrating it would be though, especially if you are making a living from it!Stellahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06238570501454087217noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-815828627603971196.post-66338242501245074622010-03-24T00:19:10.676+00:002010-03-24T00:19:10.676+00:00I think the line can get pretty blurry very easily...I think the line can get pretty blurry very easily. I'm new to blogging, and when I first started looking around I was stoked to find so many beautiful things that I thought I would be able to make. It took me some time to realise what the correct protocol was (ie. linking back), and I now generally always try to use ideas for inspiration, in order to create something of my own design... It's much more fun that way anyway.<br /><br />Hopefully this was just a learning curve for this girl and she will know better next time. I can understand how frustrating it would be though, especially if you are making a living from it!Stellahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06238570501454087217noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-815828627603971196.post-63998074877732137982010-03-23T16:36:18.222+00:002010-03-23T16:36:18.222+00:00I'm going to be a half minority comment here, ...I'm going to be a half minority comment here, I think.<br /><br />First, she straight off copied your design. But, she did it for a gift, not to sell and I would do that, too. Especially if I couldn't afford the book or it wasn't out yet, like this one. <br /><br />However, I would not then go and advertise the gift I'd made on a craft forum and let people think it was my design. Even if she didn't say, "Oh, I designed this." she implied it by not stating whose design it was and then by doing the "aw, shucks, thanks!" thing for pages and pages of praise. And she got a bit snarky when you put up the book info the pattern will be in. Not cool. Copying is thievery, but as crafters it is sometimes what we do, especially when we can't afford the $300 dresses we see in stores. Accepting credit it for the design was a poor choice. I'll never be able to look at projects that person has created without wondering if I'm going to see it one someone else's website or come across it in a book some day.<br /><br />I think when the book comes out (that your peacock pattern is in) and starts getting attention around the internet, it will become clear where the very unique design came from.Sarcastrahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16759686888833485190noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-815828627603971196.post-8917633526270599852010-03-23T15:40:30.925+00:002010-03-23T15:40:30.925+00:00thank you so much for this post, I totally agree w...thank you so much for this post, I totally agree with you, but few times I saw things made in a way I do things and never responded to that as it is a very delicate matter - in your case everything looks more obvious - in my it doesn't but I already have emailed this person and waiting for response, but as I don't like to make anyone angry I don't think that that email will work in any way,<br /><br />many times I see things crocheted on the net and I make something similar but then I am not able to sell things as mine if they look to similar to someone else's work and then do not sell it, if I sell things that are not my design it is clearly stated in the description and if there is something that I post on the blog what is not mine there is a clear link to the author, when I get inspired I always tell that as well<br /><br />why anyway people don't do research now when they have such a great tool - internet, if something is already there it should not be described as my own design? it seems so easy to me but maybe I am wrong?<br /><br />do not delete this post please because it touches a very important question here<br /><br />thank you again<br /><br />I.Izabelahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00235273892581413362noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-815828627603971196.post-81736862529474715092010-03-23T14:07:36.493+00:002010-03-23T14:07:36.493+00:00**sigh** This depresses me no end. It happens to m...**sigh** This depresses me no end. It happens to me all the time and I struggle with it, too. Why is it that when someone else rips off your design and you point that out, then YOU are made to feel petty and selfish? I hate that. <br /><br />And it is always the people who do the copying that think there's nothing wrong with it, and give the example of knockoff fashions as justification, or imply that if you put it online then it's your own fault when it's ripped off. This makes my blood boil. <br /><br />Thanks for posting about this frustrating experience, Amy. I hope it shines a little more light on an ongoing problem.jenny allsortshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10081422018218564413noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-815828627603971196.post-24653378065037833622010-03-23T13:57:06.826+00:002010-03-23T13:57:06.826+00:00I'm so sorry that you've had this happen t...I'm so sorry that you've had this happen to you - seeing someone else claim credit for your design is horrible and it's completely understandable that you would be upset. From having a read through the offending forum she doesn't apologise to you or even give any indication that what she had done was not acceptable behavour. <br /><br />Sadly though once we release photos of our work there is always the opportunity for someone else to come along and claim that work for themselves. Most people don't though and you just have to try and remember all those people that you truely inspire to make something that is unique and not just a copy.Jessicahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/18133060244758950172noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-815828627603971196.post-63248154273265548072010-03-23T13:52:58.437+00:002010-03-23T13:52:58.437+00:00I find this discussion very interesting and have e...I find this discussion very interesting and have enjoyed reading everyone's perspective. In my opinion, in this particular instance with the peacock, I think the "copier" really had no ill intentions and was making it as a gift for someone who obviously admired your work. Is it annoying & frustrating that she did not give direct credit? yes. However, in no way was she trying to make a profit of it or did she make a pattern/tutorial for it. Like many others have said, I also draw the line when someone is trying to financially profit off of one of my creations. Had to tried to sell this and pawn it off as her own creation I'd be much more upset about the situation.<br /><br />Copying has been going on forever and will continue long after we are all gone. In many cases, I think sometimes copying is unintentional, i.e. someone thinks they are creating something "original" but it has already been "created." In fact, I have a lot of very old craft books and I have seen a lot of reproductions of these works all around the internet. Whether or not people have seen these books too I am unsure of. <br /><br />Unfortunately it seems that creative work does not have the same level of copyright protection as written word does. From my understanding (and I'm not a lawyer or anything), you can copyright a pattern, but you cannot prevent work made from the pattern from being sold. I don't really know how "fair" that is, but I also think there is not much you can do it about it legally. Anyway, I'm not sure what the solution is, but just wanted to share my opinion. Hope that it is helpful!Katie Jeanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17056595384547595208noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-815828627603971196.post-61659662622456402332010-03-23T12:23:44.523+00:002010-03-23T12:23:44.523+00:00I really understand how frustrated you must feel.I...I really understand how frustrated you must feel.If she had created the copy for sale then I would say you had every right to be furious! Because she hasn't and has made it as a gift I think she has been very thoughtless in her approach.She should have checked with you whether it was okay and also linked to you from the start.<br />Crafters who create as a hobby very often use others for inspiration and because they don't have to create original pieces to make a living won't see the bigger picture of the problem the copying causes.<br />I think the only comfort you can take is that the people who condone her taking credit would probably have never bought your original in the first place but would have copied it themselves.If you know what I mean?<br />What a shame though as if she can interprete your creation into a pattern from a photo imagine what she could create herself if she put her mind to it?Kristyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00594821266695081190noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-815828627603971196.post-27279552774610845602010-03-23T11:54:02.728+00:002010-03-23T11:54:02.728+00:00I think the big issue here is the rudeness of not ...I think the big issue here is the rudeness of not acknowledging the source...since it is so obviously available. There is a lot of 'inspirational' creating going on that boarders on copying and it is the cheekiness of not stating where the inspiration comes from that gets me. When we see someone SELLING work that is an out and out copy there is a serious act of violation. At least she hasn't done this but I can completely understand and have sympathy with you for her shear inability to state you as obvious inspiration.Karen Lewis Textileshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15471011912154358889noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-815828627603971196.post-26962880435298606462010-03-23T11:37:13.367+00:002010-03-23T11:37:13.367+00:00topcat, i would say if you've seen something t...topcat, i would say if you've seen something that's a copy, forward it on. i often get sent links people think i ought to see, i'm always grateful, never ever give away my source, and then take a few days thinking about before deciding whether to pursue or not, i don't pursue everything, some are not worth it, but some are!Lucykate Crafts...https://www.blogger.com/profile/00799331918962034472noreply@blogger.com